Amina was 18 years old and was shot two times and Sarah was 17 It fails to mention the car was totally clean of any other forensic residue. Lieutenant Christopher Coble and Sergeant Suzanne Pearson would later testify that Patricia cried and apologized to 18-month-old Nicole, telling the baby, Im sorry for doing this to you and lamenting to the officers that she would never see little Nicole again. She has always denied this allegation and says that both she and Lawrence Slaughter are innocent. How would an intruder find it? MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. So would judge and jury say. They are a joke. New state, new man. This woman was motivated by an obsession with a man who no longer wanted her. and there are probably many people who still think he is innocent too. Ls HUe7C22R>_%m~e5?h The evidence was all there. Hoist by your own petard. "I suggest that it stands for a moment in time where people actually take a moment to take a serious look at how we allocate our resources to social services. He had an attractive new wife and beautiful baby boy. Joanne wouldnt have fought back as she was shot therefore almost immediately incapacitating her and was holding her son. Stevie J Further to my previous comment, I should add the following. Great catch. They allege that the North Carolina resident stealthily drove 500 miles to Pennsylvania and killed out of a sense of deadly indignation. Patricia She definitely did it. There was a push for a mistrial, but a 16-year prison sentence was negotiated instead. Four months after Joanns disappearance, farmer Paul Kovalchik reported seeing what at first looked like a pile of clothes on his land in Heidelberg Township woods, about 15 miles from the Katrinaks house. I dont see any defining comment or wording that justifies that claim. Its never been made clear. Im trying to understand exactly your reasoning asking me staying away from this site because of my insulting remarks! Or the fact the one of those officers heard her make this statement at the time of her arrest and not the other. He took two tests and there was deception detected in BOTH. "You can keep those evil eyes glaring just glare away because this is going to be the last time that you see me.". The couple moved into Andrews sturdy brick house at 740 Front Street in Catasauqua, Pennsylvania. But defense lawyer Robert Pfeiffer said that plenty of evidence supported Patricias innocence. Unless theres a complicity between him and her, and the reason she didnt divulge it is because she hopes to put all the blame on him, when she was the one to murder and he was a planner. Those who knew Joann pointed out that she didnt like to drive in reverse and would have never parked that way. Yassein Saids sentencing has been set for June 4. Yaser Said is accused of killing his two teenage daughters Amina and Sarah in 2008. This is all BS.She did it. Patricia had a knack for writing strong headlines, which won her first place in a 2012 national contest. She wanted all men to give her attention but she couldnt have everyones attention, especially ANDREWS!!! Detective Barry Grube found it odd that Andrew fixed the severed phone line before police examined it in essence tampering with evidence. RR, Watch the Forensic Files episode on YouTube. He wanted to move to Colorado and she was against it.. Some two years into the investigation of Rorrer, a court order was obtained to remove hair specimens from her. And while youre on that list, you can be happy in the knowledge youre not in rarefied company. The difference between the cases was that the child was not injured and the individual wrote down the details of the plan in a notebook, but otherwise it seems extremely similar to me. This woman was not innocent, but she is very good at manipulating people into feeling sorry for her. Jury convicts man who harbored fugitive brother accused of killing But hang on You ask that I show care with my wording and show all the tolerance in the world, and by that you presumably mean I should simply ignore those who villify her in the most disgraceful way, probably in the opinion that all readers of their comments will agree, and no one is going to take offence! Thats all for this post. One on one? My husband passed away of a broken heart, Sarah OConnor said on the Montel Williams Show in 2001. Prosecutors did not seek the death penalty, so Said was automatically sentenced to life in prison with no parole. CHOOSE1s Three Strikes Reform Act needs 500,000 signatures by July 17 to make the November ballot, CHOOSE1 files new initiative to reform Californias Three Strikes law, The First Friday doc premieres this week at the New Parkway. Patricia McCloskey, who menaced the marching crowd with her finger on the trigger of a handgun, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was ordered to pay a (Nope. The fact that previous boyfriends noted her obsession with Andrew is very, very telling. It says that Andrew reported the cut phone lines and broken pad lock was reported to the police at 10:30. The fact that there was a broken fingernail with skin attached to it found on her clothingand wasnt Patricias. Calling her ex because she just likes to stay in touch w peopleLOL! They allege that the North Carolina resident stealthily drove 500 miles to Pennsylvania and killed out of a sense of deadly indignation. I guess the investigators in Pennsylvania managed a quick resolve to a huge case that had a nations eyes scrutinizing their every move! The trial was taking so much of my time. Its totally irrelevant. Shock, Gloria Smith, the sister of the lost-and-found woman, said at the press conference. As for him, yes, it looks like the first suspect, but if he had alibis, quite hard to accuse of actually doing it, and I understand it was a pretty solid one. The fact that Joanne was found with a hair clutched in her hand that was inconsistent with both her and Patricia (that they conveniently didnt bother to test). Lets stop pretending we can definitively prove this woman murdered this woman and her child. He was sentenced Said to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Discuss and express opinion; stop short of asserting that those of the other view (that of judge and jury, at least) are ignorant of facts and wrong, and youre right, because by definition its reasonable for lay people to accept the jury verdict. But then again I havent actually SEEN the evidence. Thank you, this is a very interesting comment. Does it actually have to be an obligatory duty for anyone to be present at a trial before they are able to have an opinion? THESE COPS ARE WRONG AND THEY ALL SHOULD BE IN JAIL FOR WHAT THEY DID TO PATRICA, PUTTING HER AWAY FOR LIFE FOR SOMETHING SHE DID NOT DO. Police need evidence of perpetration in every claimed case, and Sells is regarded as lying about some claimed murders per inability or unwillingness to detail. Addressing Patricia Prue, Judge Robert Bent said the sentence of life without parole was "fitting" since she was a full participant in the crime. Locked up. Follow her on Twitter at www.twitter.com/LizMurraySMC. There is no justice for your loved ones when the wrong person is paying for the crime. And your attempt to draw a distinction between a fact and an opinion! On a secret recording, Patricia asked Jarrett to vouch for her attendance or she might go to the electric char. Or to keep it anonymous, click here. Have a tip we should know? I had five children to take care of and it was costing me so much money to travel two hours The defense argued that the 911 call is not clear and that Said was targeted by investigators because he is a Muslim. Patricia pled guilty on April 2, 1990. No other suspect has existed that would have a motive to kill Joann. I wanted to get out of there.. Relatives at the time told cops that Yaser threatened bodily harm against Sarah for going on a date with a non-Muslim. The reason Interpol was involved is because all three had different European citizens, as a result of which it was very difficult to follow the thread of the event. The teens were found shot multiple times in a cab outside an Irving motel after one of them called 911, saying she was dying, authorities said. You are correct the bodies were not there all that time, and it seems odd that they baby taken at 3 month, but when found he was 6 months according to Wrong Man. SHAME ON THEM. I didnt read anything in this article that convinced me I didnt like that the lab had a bad rep and I do agree the police lie and frame people sometimes so I cant say 100% she did it or not. Yet, you have a story like Darlie Rutier who supposedly stabbed herself seriously enough that was centimeters from her carotid artery, yet this woman is in prison still? This case is not over yet more to follow only trouble is, law moves along at a pitiful pace. Patty Hearst The state made a case fueled by circumstantial evidence and public outrage over the deaths of a modern-day madonna and child. I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. Im inclined to think both Rorrer and Routier are guilty. Yaser had been on the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list since 2014, according to CBS. Hoist by my own petard! Tiffany, it is amazing you have all the answers to these murders! It took jurors about three hours to convict Said for the deaths of his daughters Amina and Sarah in 2008. Rorrer is as guilty as OJ Simpson. How about the mix up with the hair and the fact that it was not forensically tested (outside of the one man who compared the hairs through naked eye). It might have said no root but could have been wrong. For this week, I looked into the defenders reasoning as well as Patricias whereabouts today. Patricia Weak wages. In 1995, Larry Wright was facing a 10-year sentence for two felonies, risk of an injury to a minor and violating a restraining order, and a misdemeanor for threatening by saying, Im going to kill you, to his wife after he caught her cheating. As for the murder weapon, police didnt find a .22 caliber pistol on Patricias property, but an ex-boyfriend claimed that she owned one and it would always jam after one shot. Relatives at the time told cops that Yaser threatened bodily harm against Sarah for going on a date with a non-Muslim. Oklahoma Incest Case: Mom Married Kids - Peoplemag Or did they? On Aug. 31, 2011, at 11 a.m., Wrights family, the Action Committee for Women in Prison, and the FACTS community and supporters gathered in front of Gov. . The organization purports that if there were awards for distorted reporting, the Morning Callwould win high honors.. And shes were so happy. Its a video on Utube Judges For Justice featuring her case. But I suppose you havent a clue about that. On December 12, 1994, Joann answered a phone call from a woman shed never met, Patricia Rorrer, her husbands onetime girlfriend. DNA also doesnt lie. The Common Sense Guy you should put yourself on top of the list of deluded people. I hope she suffers and goes insane from loneliness. (McIntyre said that Egan ignored Traupman because he was a nut who said that the man he saw arguing with the woman in a car was Hispanic but wearing a fake mustache and a toupee. I have worked for Interpol for years as a gun analyst, usually women who commit such crimes against their exes wife or mistress, lover etc are pushed from behind by a man and promises and lies. She didnt need to have owned all the guns she ever used, nor to have owned the gun she in fact used. Patricia Rorrer is as guilty as sin, and she needs to stay right where shes at. And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! Feb 7, 2017 Patricia A. Giddings, seated beside Keeseville-based attorney Jacob Painter in Clinton County Court on Tuesday, spoke only to affirm she understood the proceedings. Until next time, cheers. Another point is the theory developed by the cops that the victim (Joann) was shot just one time and then bludgeoned to death. At one point Interpol had an extremely similar case in which an individual convinced a friend, who had been his sexual partner several times in the past, to kill the woman he had a baby with, on the grounds that the child is not his and he does not love her but cannot leave because everyone would accuse him of abandoning his child and his family name would be affected. True, Andrew would have no way to acquire and plant Patricias blond hair there because it wasnt that color when she knew him. He was captured in August and is in state custody. Whoever writes this amateurish swill should get a real life, andsa real job. One of them from his ex-wife, Patricia Owens. And the obvious answer is that the makers too think the evidence is against her. Id wanna be done with that shite quick too.. meh what do I know! Nope. Then international law enforcement was contacted. Agree with all you say but theres so much more involving incompetence, corruption, evidence tampering and then witnesses, in Rorrers favour, who were not disclosed to her defence her trial (something they were legally obliged to do). If Patricia drove it back from the murder scene after she shot Joann and then beat her to death, luminal would have lit up the interior. Forensic Files didnt mention it, but the hairs were actually brown at the top and the rest dyed blond, according to the show Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction. Jenkins' family left the courtroom without comment on Friday, but they hugged each other once the sentence was ordered. She was so obsessed with Andy that she called him non-stop, multiple times a day, right? Ive heard she gets to go out to LUNCH and this broad is in prison for murdering her husband Russ Stager? She never had anyone testify against her but an ex-boyfriend! A Pittsburgh-area woman missing for over 30 years and declared legally dead several years ago has been found alive in Puerto Rico, authorities in Pennsylvania said on Thursday. I made the confession on tape that I had rehearsed with the LAPD, said Larry Wright. Police slowly built a case against Patricia. I am outraged at the rush to judgment displayed by the LAPD, wrote Michelle Alexander, civil rights attorney and author of the influential book, The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness, in a letter to Patricia. In a million years, she wouldnt do anything to harm that.. No way for 4 months, that deceased baby would still be resting across the mothers chest. To prove it 110% rather than just 99% I dont know why they wouldnt retest the hair fibers etc. Armed homeowners Mark and Patricia McCloskey stood in front of their house in June 2020, confronting protesters who were marching to St. Louis Mayor Lyda Krewson's We lived close to one another. There is pendency of DNA investigation for Routier. Theyre just not willing to investigate/research as to the truth. I think we need to realize that each dollar we spend or don't spend could have a serious impact on our society and our safety.". Animals would have for sure. As to her duration on death row, no: inference cannot be made as to her guilt as theres a woman with about the same time (Holberg) and another with almost as much. Were suppose to ignore the actual forensic evidence and forensic opinions because we were told that a cop overheard her claiming she confessed? She was falsely convicted of killing her husband when the Los Angeles Police Department reopened a 17-year-old cold case after coercing two witnesses to tape a confession pegging Patricia Wright and family friend Lawrence Slaughter as the killers. FBI agents watched them deliver grocery bags to the house and then followed them to a shopping center in Southlake where they dumped trash from the home, prosecutors said. Owens said because of what Said did, she will never get to see her daughters grow up. Clifford Freeman, since you are already at the top of the list of deluded people not much room left for anyone with an oversized ego such as you apparently have!! Once, when a gun-wielding farmer and his buddy caught Patricia and Gary riding motorcycles on his field, Patricia walked up and got in their faces and argued, Gary recalled to the Morning Call. Which Patricia did not, so who is the real killer? At 17, Patricia dropped out of high school and married landscaper Gary Gabard. And its been bad. Perhaps that would lessen your fright. The case was eventually abandoned. No show. "If she could do that as a woman, my God.". Authorities said they have no evidence that Jerome had cancer or was dying. If the answer is no, enough said! The police considered the possibility that Joann ran away, a theory disputed by her family. Why bother with this site, which isnt for professional criminalists/forensic scientists, if youre going to get so tetchy and rude? I believe in Patricias innocence and she deserves to be freed, at last! Allen Prue told police he and his wife "wanted somebody they could play with," Caledonia County State's Attorney Lisa Warren has said. A man normally wouldnt care about killing a child, but a woman normally would have some kind of abhorrence to harming an innocent child. And when Patricia was taken into custody where they removed 39 hairs with root, and then all of a sudden after the FBI report say that the hair tested had NO ROOT ATTACHED, the hair tested had a root? Jenkins' violent death shocked residents of the Northeast Kingdom, including Gerta Blasczyk of St. Johnsbury. I find it weird that youre going to kill a woman just because she hung up on you and maybe tell you some shitty world because you call like an ex. The sisters, who were students at Lewisville High School, were found dead in their fathers taxi in Irving. Gail Gattrell, the sisters great-aunt, described the deaths as an honor killing which are often carried about by a relative who believes a woman went against conservative Islamic values on love or marriage. However, that first theory very neatly allows the cops to further theorise that the gun she once owned (which had a history of jamming after the first shot) was the one used at the murder. Yaser Abdel Said, 63, was arrested Wednesday by agents in the small town of Justin, about 36 miles northwest of Dallas, officials said. She had money put aside. A person tried in a court of law and then found guilty is not the be-all and end-all to the case. But to settle for just anyone being the offender offers no justice to the victims and certainly does no merit to those who are woefully lacking in ALL the details of this case, but nevertheless feel the need to vent their spleen on an innocent person. Addressing Patricia Prue, Judge Robert Bent said the sentence of life without parole was "fitting" since she was a full participant in the crime. Dial-a-problem. How do you know this woman wasnt obsessed with him and wanted his wife out of the way? Why not question some of this evidence? The author that wrote the book on the Rutier case donates all the funds from that book to freeing Darlie Routier because the jury wasnt shown a lot of evidence of the medical issues Darlie suffered. Theres a similar air of confusion connected to the Scott Peterson debacle. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports, The Lindbergh Kidnapping: Forensic Files Lost Episode, Dawn Fehring: A Missionary Dies Too Young, Joanne Chambers and Paula Nawrocki: Strange Lesson. 2023 www.burlingtonfreepress.com. Omg so well put! The Free Patricia Rorrer page points to a sliver of a fingernail found at the murder site that didnt come from either Patricia or Joann. According to the autopsy report, Patricias husband, Jerome Scott, had only a few months to live because of a health problem involving a bloodless liver and pancreatic fibrosis. Yeah, no. Opinion: the ideas that a person or a group of people have about something or someone, which are based mainly on their feelings and beliefs, or a single idea of this type.. All this talk about hairs and other DNA just seems to keep deflecting away from the gun itself. Most of your comment absolutely astonishes me. CHOOSE1 Three Strikes Reform Act needs 365,880 signatures by June 1: Volunteer today! Ive scanned through of all my remarks on this site and nowhere have a seen a single remark that confirms your assertion that Ive been insulting. The Innocence Project has declined to take her case. Police couldnt determine whether the baby died of exposure or suffocation. Keep up your delusions. Prue is currently serving a life sentence with the eventual opportunity for parole. Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. Disagree with Despite the fact it has never been proved thats exactly how it happened, it seems to be accepted as fact it could just as possibly have been the other way round, beaten and then shot. Patricia Prue to undergo 2nd competency exam, Your California Privacy Rights / Privacy Policy. John If you feel it so necessary to post a comment, please at least try to keep it original, because theres nothing sensible with your juvenile attempt using my words. Patricia Kopta left behind a husband and siblings and meandered through northern Puerto Rico for a while before she was taken as a person in need to the adult Ive followed and made a study of this case for more than twenty years and have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. That documentary points out that, despite the bodies of the two victims supposedly being exposed for several months, their condition remained relatively undisturbed by weather or animal activity. And James Pfeiffer and Jim Burke have remained on her side. Police identified the pair as Joann and Alex Katrinak. I live in Pennsylvania, not far from where this happened. By clicking Sign Up, I confirmthat I have read and agreeto the Privacy Policy and Terms of Service. Suzanne Pearson fabricated quotes from Patricia including her claim that Patricia said, Im going to the electric chair upon her arrest because a conviction would boost Pearsons career. Her alibi about going to the club, called Cowboys Nitelife, got fuzzy when investigators discovered she hadnt signed the guest book on that day. They also think she killed her first hubby Larry Ford as well. Andy did end up moving to Colorado with her and the last time I checked, they were still together. Patty was soooo obsessed with Andy that she moved away to North Carolina some 5 years before this happened, right? Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. And its argued that it has been and dismissed as insignificant or irrelevant. Shes still guilty, with her hands did it or not, in regard to baby Alex. Whether or not one believes said person has a motive, did investigators have an actual factual case or not? which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory.. Alfey says that the next thing he knew his mother was being handcuffed and taken to the county jail even though the woman who was showing the model home was given back the stolen property. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. How do you explain her not telling the truth to the authorities about the gun and its flaw of only able to shoot once and then jamming up. I just watched Reasonable Dont on this case. 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She only spoke on the phone with him a couple of times a year; when she called that last time, she didnt even know if Andys child was a boy or a girl, and the baby was almost 4 months old.